Catholics Did Not Give Us The Bible!

Canonization?

Correspondence with Jonathan Bowles, pastor of the Church of God - In Wales

DAVID BEN ARIEL wrote:
Hi Jon,

I've thought that before, the Bible to the Jews and the NT preserved by the Greeks - one complete Bible showing God is God of both the Jews/Israelites and Greeks/Gentiles and that it is HIS Word - but how do we account then for Gen. 49:10 and Romans 3:2 that says God has entrusted His oracles to the Jews until Shiloh reigns in Jerusalem and regathers the Tribes? Ever wondered about that?

Thanks.

David Ben-Ariel

From: Jon Bowles
To: davidbenariel
Sent: 12/26/05 1:36:41 PM
Subject: Re: Canonization?


Hi David,

Both passages are refering to the Hebrew scriptures - just as is 2Tim 3:15.

We need to remember which people actually did preserve the NT. That itself should tell us something, as it was not the Greeks themselves, but God doing so through them.

This concept also fits with Heb 13:10, that shows the Jews do not have jurisdiction over the things of the NT - certainly when you put verse 10 into the context it is found in of verses 7-9.

Jon.

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Too often Catholics will smugly claim they gave the Bible to the world. However, that's a religious lie parrots like to repeat, or a mantra of the mindless who don't know better. God knows. The apostate Roman Catholic Church did not give us anything but mass delusion and counterfeit Christianity.

The early Church of God, consisting of both Jewish and Greek Sabbath-keepers, widely circulated among their congregations what later became known as the New Testament, as historians verify - long before the RCC decided which books they would accept and even add to. What they did give were copies.

Who Gave Us the Bible?

I agree it was definitely THE GREEKS - not the Roman Catholic Church - who preserved the New Testament, but conclude (regarding matters of authority) with an appropriate quote from Passover and Pentecost Differences Settled! -

God has ordained that the Jews preserve His Word on the Law, Prophets and Writings - despite themselves (Rom. 3:2-3). God will not renege on giving Judah this special calling and precious gift (Gen. 49:10, Rom. 11:29).

God has also ordained that Church officials can make binding decisions based upon biblical legal precedents, affecting Church issues (such as discussed in Acts 15 at the Jerusalem council of elders), that do not undermine the foundation of the Church - the Law and the Prophets (Rom. 11:18; Eph. 2:20).

God has not given Church leaders a license to "kill" the brethren by destroying them doctrinally, uprooting and overturning foundational truths, or "playing God" by stealing divine prerogatives (Matt. 5:17, 19; 2 Thess. 2:3-4).

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Passover and Pentecost Differences Settled!

Passover and Pentecost Differences Settled!

By David Ben-Ariel

Why do we differ on Passover and Pentecost? Is it because our Father God left us in the dark? Has the God of law and order left us in chaos and confusion? Are we unable to "prove all things" from the Scriptures - as we're commanded - because we're unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the correct dates to observe God's holy days? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

Since there are many questions on this holy subject, we must start from the premise that God's Word is true, consistent and does not contradict itself (John 10:35). We must look for those basic Scriptures that are black and white and build our biblical case upon them.

Such supportive Scriptures are actually abundantly available and the biblical evidence is overwhelming! Let us shine the Light of God's Word on our prayerful study with open minds, hearts and Bibles (Isa. 8:20; John 3:19-21; Acts 17:11).

The apostle Paul was inspired to write for the record that "the oracles of God" were committed to the Jews. The sacred calendar is clearly a part of "the oracles of God" (Ex. 12:2; Lev. 23:4). The purpose of the sacred calendar is for the Jews to determine and declare when the holy days of God are to be observed.

Jesus clearly revealed which Jews were responsible for these holy matters. Jesus declared that "the scribes and the PHARISEES sit in Moses' seat" of AUTHORITY (Matt. 23:2). God has ordained that the Jews preserve His Word on the Law, Prophets and Writings - despite themselves (Rom. 3:2-3). God will not renege on giving Judah this special calling and precious gift (Gen. 49:10, Rom. 11:29).

God has also ordained that Church officials can make binding decisions based upon biblical legal precedents, affecting Church issues (such as discussed in Acts 15 at the Jerusalem council of elders), that do not undermine the foundation of the Church - the Law and the Prophets (Rom. 11;18; Eph. 2:20).

God has not given Church leaders a license to "kill" the brethren by destroying them doctrinally, uprooting and overturning foundational truths, or "playing God" by stealing divine prerogatives (Matt. 5:17, 19; 2 Thess. 2:3-4).

The correct dates to observe God's holy days should not be a Church of God issue, having been settled by God thousands of years ago and preserved throughout the ages by faithful Jews.

So why do we differ on Passover and Pentecost? Because some have refused, rejected, denied and attempted to dismiss the biblical testimony (Rom. 1:18; 3 John 9-10).

We don't differ because God's forgotten or neglected to properly instruct His children in His ways (Deut. 6:7).

We don't differ because we're unable to prove from the Scriptures, beyond a reasonable doubt, what's right and what's wrong.

"Come now and let us reason together, saith the LORD" (Isa. 1:18), "for the LORD has a controversy with His people, and He will plead with Israel" (Micah 6:2).

We differ because some have questioned God's right to choose the Jews to preserve the Bible and doubt God's ability to see that they fulfill their serious responsibility (Ex. 4:11; Isa. 45:9).

We differ because some won't submit to the biblical fact that Jesus clearly decreed that the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat and attempt to usurp that authority by forcibly installing the Sadducees in that position instead. God destroyed the power-base of the Sadducees when the Temple was destroyed but preserved the Pharisees. The Sadducees are history! We must make sure that we support God's chosen and not find ourselves in the enemy camp. (1 Kgs. 2:27,35; Acts 5:39).

God's Church, as a general rule, has stubbornly followed the blind Sadducean dates for Passover and Pentecost. That is to our shame! We must reject the rebellious traditions of men for the commandments of God, otherwise God will reject us as His Priest-King (Mark 7:7-9; 1 Sam. 15:23). It's that serious!

Some, knowing better, continue to enjoy bitter strife and envying, getting caught up in proud personality clashes rather than humbling themselves before the Word of God ( 2 Tim. 2:23-26; Jas. 3:13-18). Truth is truth. It shouldn't be a matter of "I'm right and you're wrong," but what does God's Word say? God is truth. None of us owns the truth, only God does. Any truth that we might have God's revealed it to us (1 Cor. 4:6-7). We're not to take credit for it - all credit goes to God (2 Cor. 4:7).

Thankfully, a growing number of the brethren are beginning to see that the Bible does prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, which holy dates God would have us to observe. Therefore, may we celebrate God's holy days as He would have us to - "in spirit and in truth" - and praise Him for restoring this truth to His Church!

The Book of Revelation deals with two women

Re: Vatican Deserves Destruction [ Post 296284995, reply to 296282554 ]

There are definitely pagan aspects of Judaism that are condemned, as I mention within Israel and Judah Must Get House in Order Before King Messiah Arrives - however, the Book of Revelation deals with two women: the commandment-keeping Church of God versus counterfeit Christianity, the apostate church that is Rome - the Babylonian Mystery religion in Christian drag - an abomination.

Plea to Diehard Catholics & Protestants to Repent

Synagogue of Satan?

Yeshua rebuked the traditional error of the Pharisees. He cut through their entangling traditions and did what He could to free them of their excess baggage, correcting them, getting back to basics - but He didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, like Jew-haters rashly do.

The Jews didn't want to part with their traditions, like professing Christianity today refuses to repent of their idolatrous traditions, but traditional Christianity is worse than the Jews because they have the example of the obstinate Jews recorded in the New Testament that they should have learned from and yet refuse to, proud and stubborn, stuck in the muck of Babylon.

The Oracles of God

Do You Prefer TRADITION Over Truth?

Did Jesus Call Jews the Children of the Devil?

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Nothing is ever the fault of a Jew?

Re: Thoughts on Meir Kahane...
The idea that Jew-hatred was the problem of the Jew-hater and that it was the job of the Jew to "educate" the Jew-hater not to manifest that hatred - expressed in the following Talmudic dictum "he who raises his hand to bless you, bless him first; he who raises his hand to kill you, kill him first" - was truly liberating for me, who had always been taught that "good Jewish boys don't fight".

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Originally Posted by Auld Nick Funny how NOTHING is EVER the fault of a Jew.

You're free to believe that, but, as my articles reveal - it isn't true. However, usually the things they're accused of by those with a murderous hatred against all Jews, isn't true or grossly exaggerated. Unlike such demonically driven Jew-haters, I offer constructive criticism of Jews and Israelis.

Israel's Betrayal of the Jews

Ariel Sharon: From Zionist to Traitor

Abortion: Blood of Innocents (Jeremiah 7:31)

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I assume, that not being a Jewish boy yourself (as you have previously made clear) you were taught by Jews?

You know what they say about assuming, eh? I am a Christian Zionist, as I've stated many times, who understands the Israelite origins of the West, our Hebrew roots (nothing to do with the religion of Judaism), and the article is written by Ruvy in Jerusalem - not by me - as it clearly states.

Israel and Judah Must Get House in Order Before King Messiah Arrives

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Vatican Deserves Destruction

Satan and his unclean Babylonian Mystery cult, the unholy faith of the Roman Catholic Church, idolatrous apostates, deserve to be destroyed for slandering the holy name of Jesus Christ, misrepresenting Christianity, engaging in identity theft and religious fraud! At least, in God's good time, when the Jews finally recognize Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, Priest and King, it will be the real Jesus - not the Gentilized Jesus the Roman wolves have pimped.

Jews - the Beast and False Prophet - and Rome's Destruction

Plea to Diehard Catholics & Protestants to Repent

C.H. Spurgeon on Christmas and Roman Catholicism

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Remembering D-Day

...If December 7, 1941, was the day that would live in infamy then June 6, 1944, was the day that would live in infinity. On this date fifty years ago the invasion of France by Allied Forces began under the code name, "Operation Overlord." A phalanx of ships totaling more than 5,000--of more than 100 different varieties--and 2,300 transport planes carried more than 300,000 men into the greatest military invasion in the history of the world. By July 4, nearly one million soldiers had landed. They were met by 30 infantry divisions and 10 tank divisions of Hitler's best. At stake was the fate of the war in Europe and the fate of freedom for the world...

Remembering D-Day
by Chuck Baldwin

The Watchmen

The Watchmen
"I have set Watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem"

By David Ben-Ariel

With the scattered condition of the Worldwide Church of God after the death of Herbert W. Armstrong (Deut. 32:36; Zech. 13:7), the consequent warning from Gerald Flurry's book Malachi's Message to continue to hold on to those biblical teachings Christ restored to His Church (2 Thes. 2:15); with the betrayal of Rhodesia and the sell-out of South Africa, the surrender of Hong Kong and the Panama Canal without a shot being fired (Lev. 26:19) and Israel's retreat from holy land in foolish exchange for worthless "peace" treaties - even expelling Jews from Sinai and Gaza and other biblical territories, ethnic cleansing of Jews by Jews, instead of sworn Arab enemies who must go or Israel will - truly we're fast descending into the horrible "Time of Jacob's Trouble," the suffocating darkness of the "Great Tribulation." What's left now but the terrible fall of Jerusalem and our British-Israelite nations?

ROME'S FINAL CRUSADE IS ABOUT TO BE LAUNCHED! The unholy "father" will start it by promoting his candidate - his "son" of perdition - to mislead Europe and the world: a supposedly divine emperor, a counterfeit Christ (Rev. 13:14). (The Jews don't expect a divine Messiah, but traditional Christianity does! However, the real Jesus won't return as a human-being (Matt. 24:23), but as the glorified and transfigured Son of God direct from Heaven with a brilliant army of holy angels and resurrected Saints!). Beware the "miracles" from hell the false prophet will perform to deceive the masses EUROPE'S BIG LIE (2 Thes. 2:9).

But God won't leave Himself without a defense team, in fact He's preparing Two Witnesses to take the stand before a "World Court." They'll testify from Jerusalem about Germany's domination of Europe, about the Vatican's growing influence and sway over the European monarchs and masses, the cause and effect of the American, British and Jewish peoples' decline and defeat before "the New Europe," and what the final verdict of "Jacob's Trial" will be. The testimony of the Two Witnesses will be solidly based upon Israel's Bible and history.

God warns the English-speaking nations of White Israelites about the growing European threat by His Watchman (an individual who hails from the Royal House of David) and his assistant (who joins him from the Tribe of Levi). The Davidic messenger is the chief spokesman between the anointed two, ordained by God to get the Word out: THE GERMANS ARE COMING! (Ezek. 33:7; Zech. 12:8; Rev. 11:3-4).

But does that mean that God won't use others to complement their commission? Are the Two Witnesses the only ones warning that Jerusalem's about to fall for "peace" and suffer brutal occupation? (Zech. 14:2). That Israel's about to be betrayed by their European allies? In fact, God says that He's appointed a watchman to warn Israel, but that He's also authorized others to direct attention to their message of warning and hope: "Also I sent watchmen (plural) over you, saying, Listen to the sound of the Trumpet" (Jer. 6:17).

God's MAIN MESSAGE is delivered by the Two Witnesses; they are the Trumpet (Joel 2:1). But those who humbly point others in the right direction, to where God's Menorah is burning brightly, show their spirit of solidarity and rally around God's Work to get the job done! (Matt. 7:21; Luke 9:50; John 3:11; Acts 18:24-28). Unlike some with dangerously impure motives ( Jer. 26:20-24; Acts 19:13; Philip. 1:15), playing politics and wasting precious time and money, they encourage the Church and Nation to listen to HIS FINAL WARNING AND SEEK SHELTER BEFORE THE STORM BREAKS! (I wrote Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall with that rich biblical hope in mind!).

God has called us to do a Work! Anyone can and should do good works in private, but God has called us collectively to COME OUT OF THE CLOSET and deliver His Message! We're to help save individuals and nations from the coming Holocaust! Germany and the Jesuits are ready to unleash their SCORCHED-EARTH POLICY! They're about to trigger nuclear WWIII to enforce their Catholic ideas for "world peace!" Anybody who gets in the way of their "Holy Roman Empire" will get burnt! (Rev. 13).

It's our solemn duty, honor and privilege to help warn the world to abandon their Roman Catholic traditions (that Protestants still fall for) and return to the biblical God or suffer the consequences (Rev. 18:4). Those who are truly God's People, once enlightened, will favorably respond and secure their relationship with Israel's God. Too many are still in the dark about traditional Christianity's "white lies" - the hollow days and ways that the serpent has whitewashed - and are sincerely immersed in baptized paganism! (Acts 26:18; 2 Cor. 11:14). We must reach out to them in Christian love and compassion, with faith and patience, knowing that the Lord is merciful and doesn't want anybody to perish in the flames of war or Gehenna! (2 Tim. 2:25; 2 Pet. 3:15).

But God is just and His judgment won't linger forever, so we must make every day count in sharing God's love to the world (by faithfully delivering His Message to them) and by developing His holy righteous character in the process!